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Demo Feedback Requests

posted on Saturday 15th September 2012 at 11:14

To avoid the inevitable avalanche of demo feedback requests may I suggest that we stop giving feedback.
Firstly I don’t think this is the right forum for such a purpose. Secondly, if we continue, then this will open the floodgates and we will be inundated with feedback requests.
Thirdly, your feedback so far has been rather too kind and therefore not as constructive as it could be.
Let’s be honest, what we have heard so far falls way below professional standards. I realise that wannabe’s need direction but the feedback given so far has not been as robust as it needs to be to make any positive impact on the would-be presenters. These guys would benefit far more by getting some serious training rather than exposing their lack of talent in this forum.
Your thoughts and comments?

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Russell Bundy posted

Way to far and over the top! No need to really put people down for asking other people some feedback on there audio. Everyone asks someone to give them feedback, and yeh ok i have 2-3 main people i go to, but there no harm in asking others for tips as well. (Below Professional Standard?) So what? you was there once david being new and getting advice and working to get better as a broadcaster so what the harm in others doing it like myself?

Just remember everyone has to start out somewhere, and you putting new talent down does not help.

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Russell Bundy posted

Plus i have only ever seen 2 people do it, 1 other guy and i have done it once, that it. So how is it opening the flood gates from 2 people over months i been coming to the forum on media UK?

Im sorry, but i have to completely disagree as it unfair on newer talent and people wanting to get feedback to make thereselfs better so they cant because there being pinned down.

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Calder Jon
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Constructive criticism can be so useful David, why not help others?

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David Hoffman
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Russell, the first request for feedback came in this week followed rapidly by two other requests…..which will as i said inevitably lead to more as other wannabes jump onto the bandwagon in the belief that they will get professional advice for FREE in order to improve their standard of presentation.
The standard I have heard is so low that a hundred critiques wouldn’t be enough to raise their game which is why I pointed out that serious training would be far more beneficial; a point you chose to ignore.
There are plenty of ex-ILR guys looking for mentoring opportunities who can achieve far more in one coaching session with a trainee than can be achieved by being too nice to them in a public forum.
Yes, feedback is important, but why should it be free when so many others have paid to be trained?
Plus there are often issues in demo’s that also need to be discussed in private with the presenter, not aired in public.
I’m hoping that the severity of my initial post is enough to discourage others from asking. If you want to improve then seek professional training, a move that will pay far better dividends than airing your meagre efforts on Media UK.

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Calder Jon
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Oh go on Dave, you know you want to…...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6cwqrm0wnxa0d0/CalderJonDemo160k.mp3

Sorry. Bad joke.

I actually think we should be doing all we can to improve radio and charging people for “training” isn’t it.

Just be honest with critiques? Surely?

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David Hoffman
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Hi Jon, the problem was that the critiques were being too kind. The standard was dire. (bar the last one which demonstrated the fact that the presenter had experience and had listened and learned, but still has a long way to go).
I have critiqued an awful lot of demo’s only to find that it is no substitute for one to one coaching.
One pays for driving lessons and one can be coached free by friends, but its the professional tuition that will lead to a pass.
A PC will never coach a presenter in front of others so why expect it to be done in public on Media UK?

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Calder Jon
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It’s Calder!!! Sorry not your fault – it’s an odd name!

I’m half with you David.

Surely listening to a demo will tell you if somebody has something that can be nurtured?

The only real problem here is that people aren’t honest – they seem to pussy foot around.

If I were somebody offering training, I’d want to work with people I can work with and train effectively.

Perhaps a dedicated area of MUK would be more suitable for demo’s.

Not being funny here at all, are you in the business of providing training? If so, wouldn’t demo’s be an excellent source of leads as well as a potential blacklist of those you didn’t think you could help??

Sorry, long day just spouting ideas really.

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Russell Bundy posted

Ok, so what about the new talent broadcasters that cant afford the coaching but are nearly there? Your saying let not give them no advice and not nurture new talent? This is vital for the future off radio wither it free advice or not.

Many people would disagree with what your saying, broadcasters wise and it terrible to hear you saying this.

I get that media uk is not always the best place to do it, but media uk is for everyone and new talent should be helped with advice. Even if they need to be coached, tell them that then but dont turn them away and say you have to pay for this advice!

I give you an example, the pips strive to help younger talent as do radio talent and they give advice to upcoming talent like myself, and im on both places and they both help me out.

Maybe it because your afraid of new talent, i dont know. I agree lets not turn this into a place for just non-stop feedback but you cant just say no to everyone and just stop it all as it not fair on other broadcasters and new talent. Media UK welcomes everyone in the media and i think it should continue to be that way.

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Calder Jon
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Russell, you have to pay to use PIPS don’t you? Just saying.

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David Hoffman
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Calder, a million apologies for getting your name wrong!!

Russel, explain to me, someone who has enjoyed coaching others under my wing, why I would be afraid of new talent? Before you ask, no fee was involved because these people worked for the same radio network as I worked for at the time.

I would never say no to someone who has had the temerity to listen to pro radio and display some form of grasping the basic rules, but this clearly is not evident in the first two requests in this forum.

One of the best days I ever spent in radio was actually attending a training session with the American guru Dan O’Day. The company I worked for paid handsomely for his time but it was worth every penny as I learned more in a day than I had in 10 years on air as a professional. All of us involved in the same session agreed.

Community Radio stations seem reluctant to INVEST in professional training. For a start, it would help to avoid wannabe’s using phrases like ‘weatherwise’,‘travelwise’ and identifying other awful cliches.

Good training may cost…....but if you want to improve the results can be priceless.

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